44 The Warrior Archetype

Episode Forty-Four: The Soldier and the Sage

The yogis of Alexander’s India sat in silence, naked in the sun.

Yet to Telamon, our warrior philosopher, they were greater soldiers than any in Alexander’s army.

Today, we’ll examine how the Archetype of the Sage or the Mystic contains within it the virtues and strengths of the Warrior–and how Telamon perceived a chance at salvation for himself within this seeming contradiction.

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20 Comments

  1. bill on January 14, 2021 at 6:51 am

    Very thought provoking! thanks.

  2. Joe Jansen on January 14, 2021 at 8:42 am

    As much as this series has been instructional and entertaining as a discussion of the warrior archetype, how it applies to the life of an artist or other civilian, how we transition from archetype to archetype, and an introduction to the character of Telamon, I’m finding something else here that’s useful for us as storytellers.

    They say that the climax in a story should be surprising, but viewed in retrospect as inevitable. I’m seeing that we’ve been taken on that kind of journey in this video series. Even though I’ve read everything Steve’s written, I admit that the character of Telamon had loitered in the periphery of my awareness. He wasn’t up front like Xeones in Gates, or Gent in The Profession, Bones or Selene in Last of the Amazons, or Chap in Rommel, Matthias in The Afghan Campaign.

    Maybe we started out believing we’s be talking in a little more depth about things we’d read in The Warrior Ethos. But step-by-step, we’re led to the surprising but inevitable conclusion: a new story with Telamon in the lead.

    This video series itself is a masterclass in story structure. Thanks for this gift, Diana and Steve.

  3. Andrew lubin on January 14, 2021 at 11:11 am

    While the world knows and admires Alexander, it’s Telamon who deserves our respect. It’s a rare individual who can move from one archetype to the next as did Telamon from Warrior to Sage. Gen Mattis is the rarity; most of our WW2 leaders like Eisenhower and Marshall commanded from London, instead of the battlefield before their civilian finales.

    On a smaller scale I admire our Marines and soldiers 2001-2012 who fought in Iraq and Afg, many on numerous deployments, before mustering out to finish college, build a career, and start families. From kickass Artilleryman to loving husband and father.. is that not a modern version of Warrior to Sage?

    • Brian Nelson on January 14, 2021 at 1:16 pm

      Andrew,
      Honestly, you last comment is why part of me thinks some type of conscripted–or at least so favorable (free tuition, VA loans, 50% increase in government job applications…a bit Heinlein-ish) that only the super elites or irredeemable sociopath choose not to serve. It profoundly goes against the thick libertarian streak in me–but the upside to individuals, families, communities, and our nation as a whole trumps my ideological lean towards smaller government and liberty.

      I rationalize this from my own experience–and the truth that I wasn’t mature enough for liberty prior to my military experience. Something just occurred to me while writing this. For most of my adult life I have ‘longed’ for good political leadership that I could admire, use to model my own behavior. I think I may have been looking in the wrong places. It might be the artists. It might be the honorable entrepreneurs. It might be the innovators. Maybe politics have become so personally rewarding (read somewhere that most congressmen and senators leave office wealthier than when they entered…and yes, I deliberately chose not to capitalize) that the lure of power/wealth is too much for us mortals. Everyone becomes corrupt, and only those who stay out–or limit their exposure to 4-8 years can leave with integrity.

      That said, I like Tulsi Gabbord, and I like Dan Crenshaw. I’d support a ticket with either of them as POTUS and the other as VP. I follow Bret Weinstein’s DarkHorse Podcast, and his effort at the Unity project was an idea I support. Let’s put the two top exec together from opposite teams.

      In an ironic way, I almost see this very similar to the Commander/1SG, BC/CSM relationship.
      bsn
      bsn

      • Andrew lubin on January 14, 2021 at 4:32 pm

        Brian; I’d add Reps Jason Crowe, Col, and Seth Moultrie, Ma, Army, USMC with combat time in Afg and Iraq to your list. Both were ready to defend rheir collegues, as opposed to the ones sitting unmasked and infecting others

        A mandatory draft, w/no exemptions except for serious medical issues is in order. Too nany knuckleheads out there screaming about patriotism yet are tbe last to volunteer gor anything except the chow line

        And that’s what makes Telamon’s move from Warrior to Sage even more impressive. Being hired muscle is easy; being a Sage is as difficult as being a Warrior. And the discipline required to excel in each is awesome training to suceed in the 1st CivDiv!

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    Wars may never have an end, not armed wars are also political, economic, .. When will we have real peace?

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    I am admit that the character of Telamon had loitered in the periphery of my awareness.

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